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welcome back everybody very fun episode

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today uh we've got Jason McLennan a lot

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of you have maybe seen him on the Hangar

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One the UFO files he was the one of the

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main organizers of UFO Congress for five

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years very well spoken very level-headed

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guy and uh hard to get a definitive

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answer out of you know if we sometimes

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might try to pin him in a corner he's

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very open-minded to the fact that both

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sides have legitimate info and it's

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going to be tough because we have two

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jasons so maybe this Jason will be Jay

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and that Jason will be Jason but we'll

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do our best to figure it out and uh I'm

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excited what about you oh I'm looking

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forward to this I have uh this is gonna

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be a great episode I believe yes I think

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so too so we'll be right back with uh

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our next guest Mr Jason McLennan on UAP

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studies podcast let's do this

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast I am Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good buddy Jason

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Gilman how are you I'm fantastic today

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it's a nice day outside I've been

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playing a lot of Chess this week but

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I've been looking forward to this uh

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interview as well so I'm happy to be

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here like I always say Sunday we get to

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talk about uaps or UFOs is a good Sunday

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for sure and the more we talk about

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Consciousness and going down the rabbit

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hole with this whole UFO thing the more

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cerebral we get and I guess chess is

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your new outlet for that it's my new

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outlet love it so we have a very

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cerebral guy in the show today a super

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cool guy many of you have seen him on

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television shows he's an author a

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podcaster TV personality a researcher I

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used to be on Hangar One UFO files he

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was also the co-star of Roswell the

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final verdict and for five years he was

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the organizer and Technical producer of

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the UFO Congress you know show or you

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know event so a guy knows a lot about

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the scene and the tour and we want to

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kind of get to know him and also what he

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thinks of what's been going on in the

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last six months and where we're going

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from here so a very warm welcome to the

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show Mr Jason McLennan

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thank you so much guys I am happy to be

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here and really looking forward to the

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conversation with you guys I know I've

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been putting you off for some time now

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I'm glad we finally made this happen for

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sure and everybody's busy we get that

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and ourselves included and uh we're

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happy we can make it happen so for those

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of our viewers that don't know who you

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are maybe tell us a little bit about

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yourself and what got you into UFOs and

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all this crazy stuff we're talking about

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now absolutely I'd be happy to so I've

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been going down this rabbit hole for for

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many years now it was probably

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uh if I think about it now probably 2008

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2009 when I started in this field

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professionally but I had my first uh

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first sighting first personal sighting

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in 1997 the Phoenix Lights because I I

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live in Phoenix and was fortunate enough

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to experience that event for myself

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um that wasn't necessarily a catalyst to

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start me down this Rabbit Hole uh I was

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offered a position actually by a wealthy

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individual who wanted to start a company

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all about UFOs and extraterrestrials so

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I describe to people that UFO fell in my

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lap because it literally did I was

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offered this opportunity to start a UFO

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company and that's what we did so for a

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period of seven years or so that was my

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full-time profession full-time

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investigating and writing about UFOs and

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extraterrestrial life that company was

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open minds it no longer exists in its uh

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you know full form but we published an

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internationally distributed print

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magazine all about UFOs and

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extraterrestrials we produced the

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largest annual UFO conference focused on

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UFOs and we got that recognized by the

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Guinness Book of World Records which was

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days of social media and thinking back

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to how we operated then and how things

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things are now we were kind of ahead of

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our time but you know it was a a great

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experience and with the through the

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Congress and through open minds that

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I really got to know very quickly and

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leading researchers in the field

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everybody wanted to speak at our

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conference everybody wanted to be

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associated with our magazine everybody

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wanted to share their stories and their

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research so that was tremendously

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to speed very quickly on this field the

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history of it and uh and the future of

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it as well it must have been a great

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feeling to have these people reach out

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to you and and want to be part of this

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immediate when you guys started or if

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it's something that grew naturally over

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time but that must have been you know

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this absolutely I mean it was it was

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such an incredible experience and a

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great position to be in and at the time

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these people for the very first time

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this field so at the time you know I

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that but uh you know I I grew to

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appreciate it very quickly and I think

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um you spend more time in this and man

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your eyes open open wider you start

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exploring

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a whole other worlds that you didn't

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even consider when you started you know

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it starts off as as just lights in the

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sky and then spirals out of control from

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there so it definitely opened up an

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entirely new world to me that I didn't

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broad this topic really can get right

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um you know I started out looking and

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I'd had UFO sightings before and and to

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me I always had an interest a strong

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interest in in space in extraterrestrial

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life in in sci-fi it was a big sci-fi

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geek I still am you know I grew up

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watching Star Wars and Star Trek

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that desire to know about the mysteries

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of the universe and just just

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contemplating life elsewhere to me that

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was always a no-brainer that the

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universe is teeming with life

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a fantastic view of the night sky so I

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always saw strange things zipping

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through the sky and at the time didn't

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know necessarily think much more of it

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other than wow that's bizarre I really

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wonder what that is you know I had that

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field professionally that's when I

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really started thinking back on on times

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for my my childhood and growing up and

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and that influenced me going forward

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with research really contemplating

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possibilities

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have you noticed any changes from when

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you first started doing this and you

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know the conference scene and then I

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guess 2017 happens and all the whole

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disclosure movement since then anything

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notable from before and now or either in

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people's perceptions or how we're

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landscape you know not just for UFOs for

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everything we now have this stream of

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into everybody's lives and everybody's

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brains all the time so you know I don't

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know it just it makes research and and

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things like that a totally different

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really difficult to gauge because social

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how different it is yeah even the

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experts I mean they've changed their

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minds a dozen times at least the

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open-minded humble ones guys like shot

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file a and that that sort of thing but

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the unknown and when you're dealing with

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the unknown this is an individual

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efforts are fantastic they have their

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value and their place but ultimately

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when we get down to the nitty-gritty the

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large majority of it we don't have

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concrete evidence we don't have proof

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that we would all like it comes down to

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personal belief and we each have to

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decide what pieces of evidence we're

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going to accept how much weight we're

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going to give those and where that's

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going to fit into our personal beliefs

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right yeah if we get some some bad and I

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shouldn't say bad heat but people

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complain and say it's not UAP that's a

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stupid acronym they're UFOs and

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UFOs and that's great until it's

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potentially not true and then you've got

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ufology from the 70s you know it's uh

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it's nuts and bolts and that's about all

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it is but the more you go down the

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rabbit hole the more information we

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learn and the more Quantum level this

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seems to become you're going to prevent

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yourself from growing and Jason made a

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think you said that the whole study of

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ufology as it is now it's actually going

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to help us get there you know on a brain

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level you know like it's good food and

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like these are like mathematical

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problems but they're you know the big

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questions who am I why am I here where

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am I going are there others that is

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going to help us as a species to grow

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and kind of enrich our brains to get

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that that we're seeking so take the

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blinders off don't be scared uh to step

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outside your comfort zone that seems to

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be the message we're getting from a lot

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of our guests yeah not only that but the

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craft seem to operate on a Consciousness

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level as well we've talked talk to a few

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people and it's like even some people

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said I flew the craft okay how did you

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fly the craft was what through my

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Consciousness like I was the craft I was

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able to that's mind-blowing to me like

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you know the more that we researched

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into different things and even you

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mentioned earlier that you got into

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different things uh you know we get into

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Cryptids we get into Bigfoot all things

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that I thought I would never talk or

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touch about you know or talk about or

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touch on I should say uh I ended up

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touching Bigfoot again I've been you

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know it's I can't help myself man I

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can't help myself oh but no it's all

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it's all given the opportunity I would

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touch Bigfoot too myself I'm a little

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bit worried I think that thing would get

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pissed and just rip off an arm or

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something like a Wookie right or really

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like it or yeah either or you're in

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trouble yeah you're in trouble either

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way yeah yeah exactly

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um but yeah I know we got into different

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stuff uh the Cryptids and you know we've

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been talking with uh George uh Knapp and

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he's talking about like how he carried

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some stuff home with him from Skinwalker

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Ranch you're like I don't think he's

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making that up like it's George an app

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for crying out loud like he's Nikon I

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don't think he'd ruined his reputation

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by saying something like that right so

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have you delved much I know you've

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delved a lot into the other subjects to

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the Cryptids and Bigfoot and all that do

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you think they're all related in some

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way

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you know if you go down this path of

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researching the unknown the mysteries of

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the universe

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you have to come to the point where

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that's part of your your research you

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have to be able to consider the

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possibility right that they are right

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everything is on the table when you're

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dealing with the unknown everything is

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possible you can't cross it off the list

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until you can cross it off the list so I

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always entertain all possibilities

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absolutely yeah because it seems to be

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you know wherever there's Bigfoot

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sightings there's also UAP sightings

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here in British Columbia we have a town

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Harrison that is celebrates Bigfoot and

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they say that you know the natives there

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say they see them all the time we also

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have a lot of UAP activity in the area

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so it seems to be a correlation between

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the two or at least they're whatever's

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going on is attracting the both of them

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if they're not related at least there's

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something there a commonality that uh

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that they have in common

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yeah it's fascinating when you look into

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some of these these seemingly

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correlating events

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um and it's hard not to draw those

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conclusions right but but you know

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things like that are what keep this this

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looking into the unknown so fascinating

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and intriguing for me right they're

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they're just the head scratchers always

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and you know like James Fox Said and so

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many other researchers say the more the

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more time you spend on this field the

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less you know because you start

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discovering these these additional paths

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that go this way and the paths that go

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this way and it just becomes even more

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mind-boggling if that's even possible

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yeah and in terms of information coming

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down like let's chat about governments

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and sort of UFO Congress and what's

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going on do you have any thoughts about

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that do you think it's uh are we getting

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anywhere or is this just something to

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please the masses and then sweep it

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under the rug for another 70 years again

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do you have any comments on that

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sure and all I can do is speculate but

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my my personal thought on that is I I

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don't think there's any Grand conspiracy

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there uh on on the side of the

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government and I don't think there's any

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need a feeling of need by the government

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to please anybody certainly not UFO the

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UFO crowd I don't think they they give a

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but ultimately you know in in this

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particular situation and it's happened

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before I think members of Congress are

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just like we are they are curious about

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the same things we are so if you have

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people who are who are curious about

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UFOs and these interesting anomalous

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events that are happening and you have

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people come in and tell you

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look you need to look into this because

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this is a big issue and we're under

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attack and we need help and nobody's

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doing anything about it of course

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they're going to go well that's

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interesting I never heard about that we

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need to look into this this sounds

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urgent they're going to go through the

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motions do their due diligence and in

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the end I believe they're going to come

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to the same conclusion that everybody

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else who has done this government or not

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has concluded and that is yeah there's

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something there we don't know what it is

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and we can throw all the money in the

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world studying this and looking into it

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we're not going to come up with a

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conclusion we're going to be able to say

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yeah there's stuff there some of it

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might be related most of it is not

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related most incidents are Standalone

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things that you can't say well we solve

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this that answers all of this because

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they're all individual and unique

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situations so

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it's a futile effort and I know that's

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frustrating for for people like us who

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research this and are very interested in

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finding answers I don't think those

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answers will ever be found right I think

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we can find information here and there

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and we can help sort of build our own

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personal beliefs but in the end finding

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concrete answers about any of this I

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think it's a feudal attempt that's why

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UFO studies are so damn frustrating and

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why so many people end up just throwing

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tossing the Hat in and saying that's it

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can't do it anymore you know we saw that

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with the Air Force too and and I get it

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I mean people like to give the Air Force

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a lot of but they did invest you

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know a couple decades into actually

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investigating like going out doing field

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investigations and not just in military

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training ranges like the little fake

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investigation they're pretending to do

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right now but actual civilian sightings

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too trying to trying to do a study and

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then ultimately concluding yeah these

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things are real we don't know what they

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are we can solve most of them there's a

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small percentage that absolutely have no

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explanation but we're not going to be

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able to conclude anything if we continue

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this research you want to give us more

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money that's great but it's kind of a

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futile attempt at this point so they've

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already given an answer and people want

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the Air Force to chime in again

447
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because they didn't like the answer they

448
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was given the first time but the answer

449
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is going to be the same that's my

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opinion and what about the threat you

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know the threat narratives that a lot of

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people some believe it is a threat some

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don't some have varying opinions on that

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what are your thoughts

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well

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I I and I I've always felt this way that

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it's obviously a threat when you have an

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aerial object that you can't identify

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right that's what makes a threat it

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poses a threat to to any sort of air

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traffic civilian or military

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um you have no idea what it is or what

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its intentions are what what sort of

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what sort of business it's up to so yes

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in in that sense it's a threat just like

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a swimming pool is a threat if you don't

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have a pool around it and your kid's

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running around right I mean there are

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threats but at the same time

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we do have things in place to deal with

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those threats when there are unknowns in

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our airspace

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the FAA does investigate they do

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scramble military fighter jets to go try

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to intercept those objects these things

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happen that's already the Mandate of the

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Air Force the Navy they already do these

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things it's not something that needs to

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be created and reinvent the wheel yeah

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we don't hear about it because they're

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not saying we chase down a UFO

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that's just part of what they do that's

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why they exist so it's part of operating

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procedures already but you know

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lobbyists have created this big issue

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saying that oh no the military is under

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attack and they can't defend themselves

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it's not the military coming to Congress

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saying help us we're under attack we

490
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don't know what to do these are

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lobbyists saying there's an issue not

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the military so we have to think about

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that too

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not trying to play The Conspiracy game

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here but you do have to look at the

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facts that we have and see what's

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actually taking place right the military

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does

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deal with unknowns and that's just part

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of what they do it might not be the

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information we want we want more

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information for them sharing everything

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about what they're doing in these

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situations and yeah it's pretty freaky

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when they go and try to intercept and

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unknown they still can't identify that

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unknown and the unknown outmaneuvers and

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escapes are attempts to intercept it

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that is pretty darn alarming and I think

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everybody should be concerned about that

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so I do think those issues need to be

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highlighted military procedures and and

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civilian two and other other branches of

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government to the FAA and things

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procedures need to be really addressed

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because as we hear with FAA audio that's

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released in some of these situations

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people really don't they're not trained

519
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to deal with this it's not an everyday

520
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occurrence yes UFOs are seen every day

521
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all around the world by people from all

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walks of life but situations where there

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are FAA involvement military involvement

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that doesn't happen all the time so when

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it does you hear these people scratching

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their heads calling around to all sorts

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of different people trying to figure out

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what do we do what's the procedure right

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I think they really need to focus on

530
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that and get people up to speed because

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there's a lot of stuff in our airspace

532
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it's like the threat is that the pilot

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is going to make a mistake not that the

534
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UAP is going to take out the plane I

535
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mean with that kind of maneuverability I

536
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doubt they're just going to accidentally

537
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crash into one of our Jets you know like

538
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it would be pretty ridiculous but yeah

539
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to your point if we Panic then that is

540
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an inherent threat especially if you're

541
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a passenger jet pilot or something like

542
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that right

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sure absolutely and and any sort of

544
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,740
I don't know it's it's a dangerous game

545
00:20:17,570 --> 00:20:15,360
to play It's A Hard game to play because

546
00:20:20,150 --> 00:20:17,580
again there is a lot of stuff just

547
00:20:22,370 --> 00:20:20,160
including trash you know in our skies

548
00:20:25,070 --> 00:20:22,380
um even things like you know drones and

549
00:20:28,730 --> 00:20:25,080
balloons things like that the the unsexy

550
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:28,740
UFOs that are a tremendous threat to

551
00:20:34,490 --> 00:20:31,200
you know our our pilots and and traffic

552
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,500
in the air the UK has a great and many

553
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,960
countries do but the UK has a an

554
00:20:40,909 --> 00:20:38,400
organization called the air prox board

555
00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:40,919
and that is their sole responsibility to

556
00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:43,559
investigate near near misses

557
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:46,020
um and and safety issues in the sky and

558
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,760
so they they have a lot of interesting

559
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:49,440
cases where they investigate these

560
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,360
things where sometimes objects do come

561
00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:52,799
in contact with planes you know there

562
00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:54,360
you'll see the photos of like the nose

563
00:20:58,850 --> 00:20:56,220
cones dented in where they hit something

564
00:21:00,650 --> 00:20:58,860
you know whether it's a bird or or not

565
00:21:03,470 --> 00:21:00,660
there was one interesting case from many

566
00:21:06,529 --> 00:21:03,480
years ago where there was a a shark they

567
00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:06,539
had a shark-shaped UFO uh that caused a

568
00:21:10,610 --> 00:21:08,700
a big big hullabaloo with a commercial

569
00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:10,620
airline pilot and they were seeing this

570
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:12,780
over over an airport in the UK and it

571
00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:14,160
turned out to be this remote control

572
00:21:19,010 --> 00:21:16,860
shark balloon a shark-shaped balloon

573
00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:19,020
it's called an air swimmer that is a

574
00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:20,460
shark that swims through the sky and you

575
00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:22,980
can control it with a remote control and

576
00:21:26,570 --> 00:21:24,840
who would suspect a shark to be in the

577
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,580
sky right so very very confusing hard to

578
00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:28,080
identify hard for the pilots to figure

579
00:21:32,930 --> 00:21:30,600
out what it was but it was from

580
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,940
somebody's birthday and it it uh you

581
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:34,320
know went too high and got out of range

582
00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:35,700
of the remote control and just kind of

583
00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:37,980
went went AWOL but uh you know things

584
00:21:42,049 --> 00:21:39,720
like that happen but even though those

585
00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:42,059
are the unsexy UFOs they still pose a

586
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,799
tremendous threat that's why there are

587
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:45,600
restrictions on airspace and where

588
00:21:51,409 --> 00:21:48,720
people can fly things like drones uh but

589
00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:51,419
you know that's just one little element

590
00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:55,260
then we deal with the more unknown UFOs

591
00:22:00,409 --> 00:21:58,620
and you know game on I mean any

592
00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:00,419
anything's a possibility that's why it

593
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:01,919
has to be viewed as a threat and those

594
00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:04,320
things have to be addressed now there's

595
00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:08,100
a lot of um critics that we need in

596
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,580
ufology or the study of uaps because the

597
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,200
thing is it's very easy for us to get

598
00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:15,840
swept along with a story or swept along

599
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:19,320
with a theory so having people like Mick

600
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:21,059
West you know

601
00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:24,840
sort of push back it's a good thing but

602
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:26,820
it depends on on on

603
00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:27,360
um

604
00:22:31,010 --> 00:22:29,220
I guess Their audience because I've

605
00:22:32,529 --> 00:22:31,020
noticed on Twitter now there's a lot

606
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:32,539
more division than there's ever been

607
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:35,880
especially on the topic of uaps are you

608
00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:38,880
on Twitter at all I sure am yeah and

609
00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:41,100
what have you noticed on like just the

610
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,419
you know

611
00:22:48,169 --> 00:22:45,200
people attacking Lou people going crazy

612
00:22:49,789 --> 00:22:48,179
uh you know just going off the rails on

613
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:49,799
other people because of their theories

614
00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:51,960
or beliefs it's almost like I've seen

615
00:22:55,789 --> 00:22:53,820
that in the religious aspect when I was

616
00:22:57,169 --> 00:22:55,799
in the Christian church I've seen things

617
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,179
similar to that except they were a lot

618
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,280
more polite about it but it's the same

619
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:01,440
bickering it's almost like it's become a

620
00:23:06,649 --> 00:23:03,960
religion in itself in the world you know

621
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,659
either Protestant or Catholic and you

622
00:23:10,250 --> 00:23:08,400
have to choose a side now have you

623
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:10,260
noticed that in Twitter at all

624
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,360
I absolutely have and I don't think it's

625
00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:13,679
a new thing

626
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:15,720
um you know I think I think as social

627
00:23:20,029 --> 00:23:17,640
social media matures and people get more

628
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,039
used to it it's it's becoming louder and

629
00:23:24,970 --> 00:23:21,840
louder certainly because people feel

630
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:24,980
more and more comfortable to to be

631
00:23:30,289 --> 00:23:28,080
uh less uh less friendly less polite

632
00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:30,299
with each other but uh you know that's

633
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:33,720
it's not not a thing uh as you mentioned

634
00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:35,880
religion I mean I I have the comparison

635
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:37,799
between religion and UFOs quite often

636
00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:42,000
but uh yeah it's it's not something

637
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:42,840
um

638
00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:50,520
section of social media you can see this

639
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:53,100
you know whether it's uh you know Star

640
00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:56,820
Wars Fanatics or politics or Sports

641
00:24:02,930 --> 00:23:59,220
you'll see the same sort of hostility

642
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:02,940
the same sort of religious taking sides

643
00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:05,460
like my side is the only way in your

644
00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:08,039
side burn in hell yeah you know there's

645
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:09,299
a lot of that and I think there always

646
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:10,919
will be that's just that's a human

647
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:14,280
problem but I I don't necessarily think

648
00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:16,500
it's something that's new that's always

649
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,260
been the case in UFOs and you know I

650
00:24:23,270 --> 00:24:21,120
think with a lot of people who are new

651
00:24:24,890 --> 00:24:23,280
to this field and get very excited about

652
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,900
it at the very beginning like we all are

653
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,919
yeah

654
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:26,880
um

655
00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:28,980
you know I think it's really hard to

656
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,900
understand

657
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:32,400
that all of the information you're

658
00:24:36,130 --> 00:24:34,440
hearing all of these people who seem to

659
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,140
be these

660
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,400
unwavering very credible people who

661
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:40,799
couldn't possibly tell a lie I I've

662
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:43,520
never met a person like that by the way

663
00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:46,440
but you know they're still humans too

664
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:48,600
and a lot of people get in this field

665
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,320
and any other field with bad intentions

666
00:24:57,890 --> 00:24:54,720
there are bad people there are a lot of

667
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:57,900
bad humans I I hate to to give a spoiler

668
00:25:03,409 --> 00:24:59,340
alert there but there are a lot of bad

669
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,419
people and UFOs and I also dislike

670
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:05,520
saying this on shows because I don't

671
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:08,580
want to give anybody ideas but the UFO

672
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:09,659
field

673
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:12,600
although it seems big is very small it's

674
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:14,700
very small but it's something that

675
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:16,260
everybody in the world is interested in

676
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,059
in one way or another they have this

677
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:20,640
Fascination to this topic so the UFO

678
00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:23,100
field is something that is extremely

679
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,799
easy to become a celebrity in it really

680
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:28,559
is right it really is you can get on TV

681
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:32,159
shows you can be on on the news it you

682
00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:34,740
can develop a gigantic audience very

683
00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:36,840
easily in this field and that's what a

684
00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:39,299
lot of people have done because it is so

685
00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:41,880
easy you can speak at conferences I mean

686
00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:43,860
I I've been in a lot of Industries in my

687
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:46,919
life and this industry by far is the

688
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:49,500
easiest if you want to be an absolutely

689
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:51,539
awful person and make yourself into a

690
00:25:57,649 --> 00:25:55,080
celebrity and just feed people absolute

691
00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:57,659
garbage and have them worship you it's

692
00:26:02,269 --> 00:25:59,940
easily done so it's a very dangerous

693
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:02,279
field in that that sense but a lot of

694
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:04,500
people new to it do do approach it like

695
00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:07,140
a religion and think that

696
00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:09,779
to do UFOs right this is what I have to

697
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:11,640
believe these are the people I have to

698
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:14,460
follow and any deviation from that is

699
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,520
wrong and I have to to be against it and

700
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:19,440
that's just a dangerous path and you

701
00:26:24,169 --> 00:26:21,000
know I don't tell people what to think

702
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:24,179
or or how to how to act in this field

703
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:26,340
again it's up to everybody individually

704
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:28,919
it's very individual but it's not a

705
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:30,360
religion we don't need to push our

706
00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:32,340
beliefs on other people we need to

707
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,919
encourage people to be open-minded and

708
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,200
form their own beliefs and I think

709
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:39,120
similar to religion too people approach

710
00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:41,580
that seeking answers they really want to

711
00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:43,500
know absolutely that's the only way they

712
00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:44,760
feel that they're going to get there so

713
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:46,860
people in the UFO feel older people that

714
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,900
are enthusiasts they want to know they

715
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:50,880
want to take in as much material as they

716
00:26:54,529 --> 00:26:52,740
can and as you mentioned right

717
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:54,539
charlatans that are looking for one

718
00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:56,820
thing it's very easy to put yourself up

719
00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:58,380
write a bunch of books do a bunch of

720
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,120
conferences all of a sudden you have

721
00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:02,220
these credentials well none of this is

722
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:04,020
Harvard granted and none of this is

723
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,900
military metal based it's just hey he's

724
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:08,880
bigger than him based on what based on

725
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:11,100
you like that guy more than that guy and

726
00:27:15,769 --> 00:27:13,620
so it's it becomes polarizing because

727
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,779
there are characters that want to be the

728
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:18,240
Savior I have all the answers I will

729
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,340
show you the lights and the audience is

730
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,080
very much like those seeking religious

731
00:27:26,029 --> 00:27:23,760
fundamentals right they want to know the

732
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:26,039
basics where do I go from here I mean

733
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:28,140
we're all enthusiasts we do this for fun

734
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,179
but we still go and we're on The Cutting

735
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:31,679
Edge of what's coming up next and who's

736
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,140
doing and saying what so it you know it

737
00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:36,240
kind of takes over but I think it's easy

738
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:37,500
for people that don't have a good

739
00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:40,679
Compass to maybe get on the wrong plane

740
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,500
because it's a tsunami of information

741
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:45,600
and uh I mean the reason 100 podcast is

742
00:27:49,610 --> 00:27:47,220
to have legitimate guests and bring

743
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:49,620
people at least some credible stuff in

744
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,179
and amongst all the that nobody can

745
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:53,279
corroborate and we're very neutral we're

746
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:55,500
not opinionated we don't say you're

747
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,240
right or you're wrong we bring everybody

748
00:28:02,090 --> 00:27:59,520
to the table because nobody has evidence

749
00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:02,100
so who's to say you're right or wrong

750
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,419
and that's kind of the problem too

751
00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:05,640
everyone gets a seat at the table now

752
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:07,740
because you can't say that this guy who

753
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:09,480
you know is full of it you can't really

754
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,860
call them out because you don't have any

755
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:13,200
better proof than he does so right now

756
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:15,000
we're all sitting in the same bloody hot

757
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:16,620
tub and we all have an equal say

758
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:18,120
unfortunately

759
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,039
and the more you dig into the history of

760
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:22,080
this topic too and the the players of it

761
00:28:28,669 --> 00:28:26,039
you know it it really starts

762
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:28,679
causing you to question a lot of uh you

763
00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:29,940
know what you've established as your

764
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,740
belief you know which is why you need to

765
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:33,600
be willing to change your beliefs

766
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:35,700
um when you get new information but a

767
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:38,580
lot of the stuff that that is like UFO

768
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:39,440
history

769
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,260
blindly accept because people have

770
00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:45,600
written thousands of books on it we see

771
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,880
these people as as uh you know

772
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,640
celebrities or or respected people on TV

773
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,320
shows and speaking at conferences and

774
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,440
stuff when you look back though a lot of

775
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:58,799
these most UFO researchers don't agree

776
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:00,779
with each other even when you're talking

777
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:03,000
about a specific topic let's look at

778
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:05,460
Roswell the leading Roswell UFO

779
00:29:10,909 --> 00:29:07,559
researchers don't agree with each other

780
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:10,919
and not just not agreeing with each

781
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,860
other meaning okay I think this happened

782
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,600
or I think it happened slightly

783
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,640
different here but completely different

784
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,159
stories completely different opinions of

785
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:22,559
witnesses completely different accounts

786
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:26,520
and going so far as to having uh you

787
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:28,679
know heated arguments and and public

788
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,740
feuds with each other about differing

789
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:33,480
opinions of what actually happened and

790
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,580
and which witness could be counted on

791
00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:37,279
and which one was absolutely garbage

792
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:41,159
Roswell is an absolute mess and just for

793
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:43,320
the conspiracy people out there Robert

794
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:45,419
Bigelow was one of the people actually

795
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,840
involved in the initial Roswell research

796
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,360
that Stan Friedman started and and Lee

797
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:54,240
Spiegel back in the the late 70s so

798
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,820
Bigelow was a part of Roswell as well

799
00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:59,760
right but that's that's new I did not

800
00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:01,980
know that we've been hearing Lots about

801
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,419
Bigelow even though he's kind of

802
00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:05,279
disappeared since nibs and skin walker

803
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:07,260
yeah a lot of people still think he's

804
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:08,940
pulling the strings behind the scenes

805
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:12,240
and uh either for his own patent and you

806
00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:13,740
know monetary you know if you could

807
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,960
figure out UFO technology and you patent

808
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:18,360
that it's game over right you've it's

809
00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:20,940
you will win as far as the Elon Musk and

810
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:22,440
everybody and the race to whatever the

811
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:25,380
hell Mars you know I I in my per

812
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,419
speaking of that let me ask you what do

813
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:29,340
you think of this race to Mars because

814
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,500
in my opinion and I don't give it often

815
00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:33,779
but it would be way easier to deal with

816
00:30:39,529 --> 00:30:36,659
life on Earth and fix our planet than to

817
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:39,539
create an atmosphere on another planet

818
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,700
and it's like an eight what is it eight

819
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,919
year one-way trip I don't think we're

820
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:45,600
going to Mars I think that's a cover for

821
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,700
other space related things that are

822
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,960
happening and how do you explain

823
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,880
shooting rockets off all the time oh

824
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:53,039
we're practicing to go to Mars I think

825
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:54,539
it's a bunch of but that's my

826
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:56,220
personal opinion I'm curious to know

827
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,919
yours you know being a being a space

828
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:00,960
geek and a Sci-Fi geek I've always been

829
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:03,000
really excited about any of those Mars

830
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,500
missions that have been planned and

831
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:06,960
there was a a group called Mars One many

832
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,580
years ago that had this ambitious plan

833
00:31:12,350 --> 00:31:10,320
to start a colony on Mars the first

834
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:12,360
Martian colony and they even selected

835
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,460
you know had a process of selecting

836
00:31:18,409 --> 00:31:16,320
candidates who were going to be part of

837
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:18,419
this team to train and go to Mars and

838
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:20,580
one-way trip you know you go there

839
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:22,919
you're gonna die there but to set up and

840
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:24,600
establish the colony they were going to

841
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,059
send all of the things to create water

842
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,279
and create food and you know basically

843
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:31,799
set up a civilization for people to then

844
00:31:36,409 --> 00:31:35,279
come and arrive at a setup Colony

845
00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:36,419
um of course that fell through that

846
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:38,580
didn't happen but you know the same

847
00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:40,679
thing with with Elon musk's plans um you

848
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:42,059
know he's had his heart set on Mars but

849
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,980
he's also a big sci-fi guy I think a lot

850
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:45,840
of that is just rich guy with money

851
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:49,260
wants to play zombie money yeah I think

852
00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:52,140
the novelty of landing on Mars and

853
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:54,299
walking on Mars would probably Fade Away

854
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:56,700
within half an hour yeah it would Fade

855
00:32:00,350 --> 00:31:58,740
Away Within you know what's the longest

856
00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:00,360
flight you can take on the planet like

857
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:03,539
11 12 15 hours that's eight years one

858
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,580
way within six months everybody kills

859
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:07,679
everybody on the ship that's just my you

860
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:09,720
think a crying baby on a plane for two

861
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:12,179
hours is too much stay there for you

862
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:14,100
know three years with somebody nobody's

863
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:16,380
gonna make it first capsules Crash

864
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,120
Landing everybody's already dead yeah

865
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:19,919
and I don't care how comfortable your

866
00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:21,240
seats are that's going to be an

867
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:24,179
uncomfortable flight yeah you can spend

868
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:26,700
eight years with your in-laws on a plane

869
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,620
I like my in-laws but I still wouldn't

870
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:30,000
want to spend it can't imagine spending

871
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,039
that much time with anybody in one

872
00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:33,840
sitting that's people die some people

873
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:35,640
are born it's a whole different crew by

874
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:37,860
the time you get there exactly but I

875
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:39,059
mean just for the people that actually

876
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:40,679
make it to Mars that they find like oh

877
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:42,539
God we finally made it and you step off

878
00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:44,279
and it's a big deal

879
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:46,020
just half an hour later you're just

880
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:47,159
staying with your hands on your hips

881
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:50,820
going well yeah I know that sucked

882
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:52,980
but can we go back now yeah it's there's

883
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:55,320
nothing but rocks that flight was the

884
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,700
worst thing I've ever experienced in my

885
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:58,320
life but I'm I'm ready to go back it's

886
00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:00,059
it's good another eight years I'm not

887
00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:02,039
living I'm good and the hard work starts

888
00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:03,960
when you land hey that flight was not

889
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,399
now we've got to go to work build a

890
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:08,159
colony on Mars yeah it's not like you

891
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:10,679
can slack it off either you die within a

892
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,120
matter of days if you don't get certain

893
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:14,159
things in place right so exactly yeah

894
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,200
the pressure's on so yeah to me the

895
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:18,720
whole appeal of going to Mars uh no

896
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:20,820
thank you not as a first settler anyways

897
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:22,860
at least we got water and you know the

898
00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:24,360
basics here how the hell do you want to

899
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,100
start from scratch on Mars that doesn't

900
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:28,159
make a whole lot of sense no no

901
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,899
let's start with baby steps let's let's

902
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:32,880
start with the moon and see how we do I

903
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:33,960
mean yeah

904
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:36,120
yeah spots on the moon again a lot of

905
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,919
people say there's bases on the back of

906
00:33:42,049 --> 00:33:40,320
the Moon remote viewers have been asked

907
00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:42,059
uh you know here's some coordinates what

908
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:44,519
do you see they describe like mile high

909
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:46,200
buildings and apparently it's on the

910
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:48,360
moon Moon's Hollow you know there's all

911
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,980
kinds of stuff the thing I find really

912
00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:51,659
cool recently there's been a few guys

913
00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:53,399
with really good telescopes which the

914
00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:55,559
general public can buy broad daylight

915
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,480
just looking at the moon and you see

916
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,279
stuff like coming off and like just

917
00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:01,440
floating away or random activities

918
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:03,659
happening around the Moon I've I find it

919
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:05,100
very interesting what do you think about

920
00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:06,480
them

921
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,659
the moon I I I don't I don't I haven't

922
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:11,460
seen anything convincing about bases on

923
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:14,460
the moon and uh you know as easy it is

924
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:16,260
for us to get excited about The Far Side

925
00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:17,820
of the Moon because we can't see it from

926
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:20,339
here it has been imaged before

927
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:22,980
um and there's nothing that stands out

928
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:25,800
to me but I will say that

929
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,859
we know so little about this planet yeah

930
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:31,200
we can't even start to say oh that's not

931
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:33,060
impossible on the moon because we don't

932
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:34,560
even know what's going on in our planet

933
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,139
but the moon for me I think it still

934
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:38,639
holds tremendous possibility for

935
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:41,399
extraterrestrial life because it like

936
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:43,980
Mars has a lot of uh you know Lava Tubes

937
00:34:48,770 --> 00:34:47,159
underground area where if we were to set

938
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:48,780
up a colony there or even go there for

939
00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:50,700
an extended period of time would provide

940
00:34:54,349 --> 00:34:52,859
humans with a lot of protection you know

941
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:54,359
we could go down on these cave systems

942
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:57,000
set up uh you know a city down there

943
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:58,800
that would be rad and I think if there

944
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,180
is life there that's where it would be

945
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:02,880
yeah that or the ocean keep hearing

946
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,740
about the ocean quite a bit there's so

947
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,440
much water so much water and we barely

948
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:08,880
know anything about the bloody ocean

949
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,220
like we've mapped out a few things but

950
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:12,960
uh we don't know like we haven't gone to

951
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,540
the full depths of uh of the ocean so we

952
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:17,280
don't know and and a very small

953
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:19,260
percentage of our ocean has been been

954
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:21,300
explored and our majority of our planet

955
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,839
is water so yeah I mean I I think I

956
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:26,160
think the mysteries of this play planet

957
00:35:29,569 --> 00:35:27,480
and the Mysteries we still have to

958
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,579
discover on this planet you know are

959
00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:31,440
more than enough to keep us excited and

960
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:33,960
I wish people with with play money like

961
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:36,060
uh musk would would spend more here on

962
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:39,480
this planet yeah Elon gets involved

963
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,940
inside uh uaps that'd be great if you

964
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:43,920
can actually do something with that

965
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:45,720
that'd be awesome but I've been trying

966
00:35:49,849 --> 00:35:47,940
to reach out to him on uh on Twitter

967
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:49,859
just every once in a while you know just

968
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:51,180
mention I'm like hey it'd be great to

969
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:53,640
talk about aliens uh but I I don't think

970
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:55,740
you'll ever get a guy like Musta to come

971
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:58,200
on UAP studies I mean he went on Joe

972
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,320
Rogan and yeah that's about as it as as

973
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:02,640
close as we're going to get to an

974
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:04,440
interview but uh well when you guys get

975
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:06,599
gigantic maybe because he uh he does

976
00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:09,180
care about his ego so that's true yeah

977
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:10,859
we're not big on pumping up the EGO

978
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:12,359
though we like to get humble people on

979
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:14,520
the show we uh there you go there's been

980
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:16,260
people we could have had on the show and

981
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:18,060
have been requested to have on the show

982
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:19,619
yeah we just don't want them on the show

983
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:21,480
they don't uh we don't do this for money

984
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,339
we couldn't monetized months ago we

985
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,960
chose not to there's no commercials in

986
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:26,880
any of our programs you click a video

987
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,260
you watch the whole damn thing you don't

988
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,760
have to watch a Mazda ad or anything

989
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:31,500
else so now if you're watching this 15

990
00:36:36,130 --> 00:36:33,060
years in the future that might be

991
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:36,140
different yeah but yeah yeah right now

992
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:39,000
it's a job and you have to do it as it

993
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,800
is for now we do this for the love of it

994
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:42,960
and for that desire to bring good

995
00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:45,240
quality people such as yourself to the

996
00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:47,099
the table right and and get their

997
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:49,560
opinions and on that what are you kind

998
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,720
of chewing the fat on now in your brain

999
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:54,240
like what's interesting for you what are

1000
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:56,099
you studying in your personal time about

1001
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:57,660
the whole phenomenon is there anything

1002
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:59,700
that uh that you're enjoying right now

1003
00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:01,320
or learning about

1004
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,300
well something that that is really

1005
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:04,800
important to me right now and really

1006
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,980
piquing my interest is you know all

1007
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:10,079
something that we always talk about of

1008
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,540
course is the need for evidence and and

1009
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,400
the claims of evidence you know there

1010
00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:16,619
are the claims of all of this proof of

1011
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:19,859
of extraterrestrial technology

1012
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:21,420
um and of course crash retrieval

1013
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:22,920
programs

1014
00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:24,060
um

1015
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,240
so for me my interest right now is

1016
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:30,240
tracking that down right seeing if we

1017
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:33,420
can follow these trails and really

1018
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:36,119
determine if a lot of what's being hyped

1019
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,140
up right now

1020
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,599
if there's any Merit to it if we can

1021
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:41,520
actually track down some of these people

1022
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,220
who seem to be Gatekeepers

1023
00:37:49,609 --> 00:37:46,380
um and have this knowledge if there's

1024
00:37:53,089 --> 00:37:49,619
any sort of sort of hint of Truth to any

1025
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,099
of it because as we know this stuff has

1026
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:55,560
been been researched ad nauseam for for

1027
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:58,140
decades and we still don't have anything

1028
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:59,640
we've got plenty of circumstance

1029
00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:01,560
circumstantial evidence and things that

1030
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,820
you know if you just want to trust

1031
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,560
people based on their word that's great

1032
00:38:07,870 --> 00:38:06,000
and if that's good enough for you good

1033
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:07,880
like I said this is an individual

1034
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:11,700
individual Quest so good on you but for

1035
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:13,500
me somebody who's very evidence-based

1036
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:15,180
very science based

1037
00:38:19,609 --> 00:38:17,700
um you know I'd like more so for me

1038
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,619
that's what I'm looking into

1039
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:21,359
um you know and some potential

1040
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,160
television stuff behind that as well so

1041
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:25,140
we'll see good and we're in the same

1042
00:38:28,670 --> 00:38:26,700
boat we're interviewing Avi Loeb in a

1043
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:28,680
couple hours and we're gonna basically

1044
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:30,359
ask him the same thing like you are a

1045
00:38:35,329 --> 00:38:32,579
Harvard Professor with money from the

1046
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:35,339
government and the Galileo project is it

1047
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:37,260
going anywhere are we actually going to

1048
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:38,940
get anything tangible because that's the

1049
00:38:43,970 --> 00:38:41,520
purpose of the whole mission so we're uh

1050
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:43,980
we're we're less likely to be you know

1051
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:46,380
as okay with yeah we're working on it

1052
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:47,940
everybody's been working on it for a

1053
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,040
long time so is this actually gaining

1054
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,320
any traffic action like or is this just

1055
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,480
more of the same right so but you know

1056
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:56,160
what I'm interested in though he's doing

1057
00:39:01,849 --> 00:38:59,220
that expedition uh right above uh Papua

1058
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:01,859
New Guinea right above uh North

1059
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:04,260
Australia and uh it's gonna be in the

1060
00:39:07,849 --> 00:39:06,060
ocean they're scanning the ocean for a

1061
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:07,859
crash ship so again we have another

1062
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,859
ocean theme right uh we Pilots keep

1063
00:39:15,410 --> 00:39:12,720
seeing them over over the ocean doesn't

1064
00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:15,420
matter if it's Atlantic or Pacific uh

1065
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:17,099
looking for crash retrievals in the

1066
00:39:21,530 --> 00:39:19,320
ocean you got guys like Hal pup put off

1067
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,540
that uh has been saying you know maybe

1068
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:23,280
they're Ultra terrestrial maybe they've

1069
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:24,720
already been here maybe they live

1070
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,480
underwater who knows right

1071
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:29,760
um so that to me is interesting it seems

1072
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:32,760
like the ocean is it has a big Hue to

1073
00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:35,820
play no big role in this uh whole Theory

1074
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:37,980
or this of uaps they just happen to be

1075
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:40,020
over land every once in a while but who

1076
00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:41,640
knows what's going on above the oceans

1077
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:42,900
right

1078
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,560
I do love that I I was really excited

1079
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,420
when I saw that about the the ocean

1080
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,640
Expedition because anytime there there

1081
00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:52,800
is Research into the ocean looking

1082
00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:54,900
specifically for for some of this

1083
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,339
anomalous stuff that's exciting to me

1084
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:57,839
because as we just discussed the

1085
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:00,359
majority of this planet is ocean and we

1086
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:03,720
know so little about it so I am I'm all

1087
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:07,440
for that 100 yeah I heard someone the

1088
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,000
other day say Hey you know we think that

1089
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:12,000
the Earth is so much water even if you

1090
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:13,740
look at a globe you see how much water

1091
00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:15,300
there is that doesn't even take into

1092
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,300
account the underwater river systems and

1093
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:20,640
groundwater so to speak there's more

1094
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,380
water underground than we even know

1095
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:24,540
about right so that makes it that we're

1096
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,180
even less land and more water overall so

1097
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:29,040
and there's been weird things like in

1098
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:31,079
South America people saw craft kind of

1099
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:33,420
hovering over a lake and like the lake

1100
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,460
level went down six inches the next day

1101
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:37,200
and they're like that's millions of

1102
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:39,060
gallons of water how does that happen so

1103
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:41,400
even in you know claims that can't

1104
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,740
really be corroborated water seems to

1105
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:45,599
have something important to do with it

1106
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,460
anyway right I mean it's as far as we

1107
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:49,740
know it's the basis of all life so they

1108
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:52,079
probably need it as well you know

1109
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,079
well absolutely yeah go ahead I'm sorry

1110
00:40:59,450 --> 00:40:56,640
Jason I was going to say as a source of

1111
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:59,460
energy if they can use water or hydrogen

1112
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:01,140
splitting or something right yeah even

1113
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:03,300
there's that um event that took place I

1114
00:41:07,609 --> 00:41:05,160
think this was Germany where a craft

1115
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:07,619
landed and these little entities made a

1116
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,920
motion of we need water to a farmer he

1117
00:41:14,329 --> 00:41:12,720
brought them a cup of water and they

1118
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:14,339
traded them like four biscuits or

1119
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,960
something like that for it but they

1120
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:17,520
needed the water for some sort of reason

1121
00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:19,260
wasn't because they were thirsty I think

1122
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:25,790
fluid exactly ah damn we're going to

1123
00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:28,500
need some oil we got mosquitoes all over

1124
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:30,839
this thing

1125
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:33,300
yeah but I mean and you hear about these

1126
00:41:36,829 --> 00:41:34,920
uh crafts doing these weird patterns

1127
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,839
above the water the water being churned

1128
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:39,119
underneath it uh even the Tic Tac

1129
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:40,740
incident when he was describing this

1130
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:43,020
thing was doing something weird uh maybe

1131
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,240
that's how they reload on their energy

1132
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:48,000
that you know water is the source that

1133
00:41:52,849 --> 00:41:50,700
they can use to convert to their uh you

1134
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:52,859
know zero waste energy so

1135
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:55,140
and again it's just a theory but it's

1136
00:41:59,329 --> 00:41:57,240
just a theme that we've seen occur quite

1137
00:42:01,310 --> 00:41:59,339
a bit so yeah absolutely and when you

1138
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:01,320
talk about you know extraterrestrial

1139
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:04,800
life and astrobiology water water is

1140
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:07,380
gold you know that that is

1141
00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:10,020
for Life as we know it that's what what

1142
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:12,359
we look for is water so and they found

1143
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:14,940
comets that have little pockets of like

1144
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,240
preserved water and the base amino acids

1145
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:20,160
that could eventually create DNA and

1146
00:42:24,530 --> 00:42:22,200
things like that so even with the idea

1147
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:24,540
that life could be everywhere I mean it

1148
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,240
doesn't maybe just needs that match it

1149
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,280
needs the water and the amino acids to

1150
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,380
blend a certain way to start

1151
00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:33,119
single-celled organisms and grow from

1152
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:35,700
there so maybe there is a scientific way

1153
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,980
to prove life and you know if you look

1154
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:40,560
at the math in favor of extraterrestrial

1155
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:42,780
life or against it it's so

1156
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:45,420
mathematically improbable like because

1157
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:47,640
we exist that's sort of what screws it

1158
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,560
up the fact that we exist now

1159
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:51,960
mathematically even if it is ten

1160
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:54,900
thousand zeros point one it's still a

1161
00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:57,000
chance to say that there's no life

1162
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,980
anywhere else in the planet based on

1163
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,200
what if we didn't exist then that would

1164
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,839
be a fair thing to say but the fact that

1165
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:05,760
it happened once means it's so much more

1166
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,319
likely that it's happened probably

1167
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:08,880
millions of times and there's probably

1168
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:10,980
been civilizations come and gone that we

1169
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:13,319
will never even know about right

1170
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:15,000
and I love bringing it back to Earth

1171
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:18,300
because look at Earth every year we're

1172
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:21,000
still discovering so many new species

1173
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,060
that we didn't know existed yeah and

1174
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:25,980
live here I mean it's ridiculous so

1175
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,020
obviously you know we're going to

1176
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:31,440
discover so much more out there but

1177
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,940
there's still so much about this planet

1178
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:36,000
we don't know and yes I think what we

1179
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:37,319
call aliens are what people are

1180
00:43:41,470 --> 00:43:39,480
experiencing could definitely just be

1181
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:41,480
from here

1182
00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:44,099
I I'm excited for the ocean Expeditions

1183
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:46,619
I really am yeah yeah I hope it comes to

1184
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:48,359
uh some sort of fruition that we find

1185
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,060
something at least treasure if anything

1186
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:52,800
just find an old ship of treasure and

1187
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:54,359
Lease will be worth it but supposedly

1188
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,099
the equipment that Abby Loeb has is

1189
00:43:59,569 --> 00:43:58,380
going to be really really cool stuff

1190
00:44:02,809 --> 00:43:59,579
they're going to test it out and they're

1191
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,819
hoping by 2023 I think uh to have it out

1192
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:04,800
there to actually do the Expedition and

1193
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:06,540
be amazing see if they can find

1194
00:44:10,609 --> 00:44:08,220
something we were talking earlier about

1195
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:10,619
like how we're waiting for the Air Force

1196
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:13,800
to say something in regards to uaps for

1197
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,240
me I'm also interested in the department

1198
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:17,280
of energy I find that they're way too

1199
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:19,079
quiet on the subject and I think that

1200
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:21,660
they have a huge role to play in some of

1201
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,260
where this you know underground testing

1202
00:44:29,569 --> 00:44:28,079
or trying to reverse engineer is taking

1203
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,579
place I think the department of energy

1204
00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:31,440
has a huge role to play in this so

1205
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:33,720
they've been quiet about that do you

1206
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,940
have any thoughts on that as well like

1207
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:37,800
do you think that uh either the Air

1208
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:39,480
Force is working with them or that

1209
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:40,920
they're just

1210
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:43,079
doing their own thing separately but I

1211
00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:45,060
think they're they're they have to be

1212
00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:47,220
involved somehow right

1213
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:49,859
I completely agree with you I

1214
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:51,480
the department of energy is such a head

1215
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:53,880
scratcher when it comes to all this

1216
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:54,480
um

1217
00:44:58,490 --> 00:44:56,460
but when you look back through UFO

1218
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:58,500
history they they are definitely

1219
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:01,680
involved in some way they play a role

1220
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:03,839
um but also have been very quiet as you

1221
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,680
mentioned and I would that's always the

1222
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,119
thing I look for certainly in the

1223
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,760
preliminary report that came out when we

1224
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,440
did they did they get anything from the

1225
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,880
Department of energy come on we want to

1226
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:16,500
hear from the Department of energy so

1227
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:18,540
I'm I'm right there with you I I don't

1228
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:21,300
know in in what sense they're involved

1229
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:23,819
but they certainly are yeah because you

1230
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:25,560
keep hearing that uh you know different

1231
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:27,720
crash sites that sometimes somebody sees

1232
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,060
the uh you know logo or whatever from

1233
00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:32,400
the Department of energy so I always

1234
00:45:35,809 --> 00:45:34,140
thought that's interesting and if

1235
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,819
anybody had anything to do with these

1236
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:37,920
crash retrievals the department of

1237
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,200
energy would be a great great start to

1238
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,480
look at because it's that's what they do

1239
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:44,720
they're looking for energy sources right

1240
00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:47,460
so I know when you hear stuff like

1241
00:45:51,470 --> 00:45:49,319
comments of we have the technology to

1242
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:51,480
bring E.T back home

1243
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,619
um that sort of makes you question

1244
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:54,660
whether we've had this problem solved a

1245
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:57,599
long time ago but because of you know

1246
00:46:01,069 --> 00:45:59,640
oil is still such a huge industry and

1247
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:01,079
makes the world go around we can't

1248
00:46:05,569 --> 00:46:03,660
transfer to that uh what do they call

1249
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:05,579
Zero Point Energy or zero waste energy

1250
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,740
some along those lines zero point yeah

1251
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:09,839
yeah or carbon neutral where you're not

1252
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:11,339
producing any more than you're taking in

1253
00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:13,740
that type of thing yeah well even I I

1254
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:15,720
found out recently that these uh you

1255
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:17,400
know like they eat cars and stuff like

1256
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:18,780
that are the batteries everything

1257
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:21,720
becoming electronic makes more waste and

1258
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:23,880
pollution than we thought before right

1259
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,220
yes there's no emissions to the cars but

1260
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:29,040
to produce these things it causes a lot

1261
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:30,660
of environmental yeah there's more

1262
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:33,300
pollution mining lithium and nickel than

1263
00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:34,920
that car will ever burn in terms of

1264
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,599
fossil fuel and there's no Financial

1265
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:38,400
savings either and I can speak on this

1266
00:46:41,809 --> 00:46:39,900
because I work in the automotive sector

1267
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,819
if you buy an electric car because you

1268
00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:43,859
think you're saving money you're out to

1269
00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:45,420
lunch because the amount you're going to

1270
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:47,640
spend forty thousand dollars or fifty

1271
00:46:51,650 --> 00:46:49,800
thousand dollars on a hatchback with a

1272
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:51,660
10-year lifespan because they will

1273
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,579
depreciate to the point of a replacement

1274
00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:55,920
battery right now a new battery is 15

1275
00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:59,400
grand so that there won't be 500 beaters

1276
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,380
that your teenage kid can buy and go to

1277
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:03,599
his first part-time job that's car will

1278
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,400
go to a certain value it will need a

1279
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:07,200
battery and then it'll be worth nothing

1280
00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:09,300
so the amount that you're actually going

1281
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,900
to get use wise and you know savings on

1282
00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:14,640
fuel yeah there is some savings even the

1283
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,859
whole diesel question oh I drive diesel

1284
00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:19,200
because it's better on fuel than gas but

1285
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:20,940
you spend eight to nine grand more for

1286
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:23,460
the diesel engine version of the car to

1287
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:25,619
save it at 10 cents a liter or you know

1288
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:28,440
50 cents a gallon or whatever to make up

1289
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:29,940
the nine thousand dollar difference you

1290
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:31,800
got to drive that thing like 180 000

1291
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:34,260
miles before you save a penny there is

1292
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:36,780
no free or cheap energy unfortunately on

1293
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:38,760
the planet that's a myth and electric

1294
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:40,440
cars are already in the point of

1295
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:41,940
creating more waste than anything

1296
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,800
because what do you do with these dead

1297
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:45,359
batteries that you can't remanufacture

1298
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:47,819
into anything else and you know fracking

1299
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:49,859
for lithium and all the rest it's it's

1300
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,200
harming the planet more I'm not saying

1301
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:54,000
there won't be a cheap you know better

1302
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:56,040
source of energy I just don't think

1303
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,780
electric cars is the way and they even

1304
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,760
said like in the summer there was places

1305
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:01,920
in California they had to have Black Ops

1306
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:03,720
and only 30 percent of people were

1307
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:06,060
running electric cars if we were all on

1308
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:07,859
electric cars the grid wouldn't be able

1309
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:10,859
to like cope not even close so I think

1310
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:12,540
it's novel to think it's going to save

1311
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:14,940
our energy problems but

1312
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,560
my personal opinion I don't think is

1313
00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:18,960
going to yeah so I think flying crafts

1314
00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:21,240
with batteries would be a bad idea I

1315
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:22,560
think that's not going to happen for

1316
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:23,940
quite some time just for that reason

1317
00:48:28,730 --> 00:48:26,700
right something goes wrong but these

1318
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:28,740
crafts obviously operate on some sort of

1319
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:31,260
energy level that is beyond what our

1320
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,780
understanding is and I think that helps

1321
00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:35,760
obviously the way that they fly that's

1322
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,079
why when somebody says oh it's space

1323
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,359
garbage or air garbage as recently as

1324
00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:42,000
it's been quoted in the New York Times I

1325
00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:43,619
find that funny I'm like what is air

1326
00:48:47,569 --> 00:48:45,720
garbage like you know we've talked about

1327
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:47,579
that in the previous episodes this is a

1328
00:48:52,609 --> 00:48:49,500
big bag glad bag that's just floating

1329
00:48:55,069 --> 00:48:52,619
like what I think a pilot would know a

1330
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,079
garbage bag from you know an object

1331
00:48:59,569 --> 00:48:57,599
that's obviously flying around his plane

1332
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,579
these guys are trained observers right

1333
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:01,680
so that when they say that these crafts

1334
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:04,200
are doing Maneuvers that are insane and

1335
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,400
somebody says well it was probably a

1336
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:07,520
garbage bag or a space garbage or

1337
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:09,720
seagulls for instance we heard the

1338
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:11,880
seagulls Theory uh I find that funny

1339
00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:14,339
like I think 10 000 mile an hour

1340
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:16,440
seagulls yeah I don't think a fighter

1341
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,260
jet would waste his time going round a

1342
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:21,119
circle with a seagull that's just

1343
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:22,560
outmaneuvering him

1344
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,300
um you know some of that logic goes out

1345
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:26,880
the window to me but uh yeah that's just

1346
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:28,200
my take on it

1347
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,420
so uh Jason where can people find you if

1348
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,160
they want to follow you and what uh what

1349
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:33,599
you're producing at the moment is there

1350
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:34,980
anywhere that you recommend people check

1351
00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:37,140
you out well you mentioned Twitter so I

1352
00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:38,579
will throw that out there I'm on Twitter

1353
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:41,540
at acecentric that's

1354
00:49:46,030 --> 00:49:44,339
a-c-e-c-e-n-t-r-i-c sort of taking a uh

1355
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:46,040
a little bit of a break from my podcast

1356
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:48,599
unknown and uh everything else we're

1357
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:50,940
doing at Rogue planet rogueplanet.tv is

1358
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,500
my website where I usually post

1359
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:54,720
everything I do and and along with my

1360
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:57,359
other fellow weirdo colleagues we

1361
00:50:01,970 --> 00:50:00,420
explore all the strange but for the rest

1362
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:01,980
of the year we're basically taking a

1363
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,660
break I've had a lot of things happen in

1364
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,000
my personal life and professional life

1365
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:09,119
that really taken up all my time so I'm

1366
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:11,220
kind of taking a break from all of it

1367
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:15,119
and we'll start anew in 2023

1368
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,680
um a lot of big things planned I'm still

1369
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:18,960
still working on another book got some

1370
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,560
TV stuff lined up and uh gonna try to do

1371
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:25,440
a couple lots a couple more shows in the

1372
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:27,480
New Year too really looking as I

1373
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:29,099
mentioned about uh you know actual

1374
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,740
evidence and trying to to dive into some

1375
00:50:35,569 --> 00:50:33,839
of these

1376
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:35,579
um you know a lot of the lore of UFOs

1377
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:37,380
and and looking at the facts of it

1378
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:39,060
because for for me personally and you

1379
00:50:42,109 --> 00:50:40,260
know Roswell is something I've spent a

1380
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:42,119
lot of time on but the more I've looked

1381
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:44,460
into Roswell and looked at the actual

1382
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,920
evidentiary value of a lot of what all

1383
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:49,680
of us just accept as truth when it comes

1384
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:52,400
to Roswell is completely inaccurate

1385
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:55,260
completely inaccurate you know in terms

1386
00:50:59,089 --> 00:50:57,000
of claims of bodies and things like that

1387
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,099
and you know we hear about these stories

1388
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:01,680
of the whole town saw it and everybody

1389
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:04,380
in Roswell you know was threatened and

1390
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,180
they they were all scared and they all

1391
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:08,160
know that alien bodies were were taken

1392
00:51:13,569 --> 00:51:11,640
out of there the the actual people who

1393
00:51:15,950 --> 00:51:13,579
physically claim to have seen

1394
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:15,960
extraterrestrial bodies who were

1395
00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:18,480
actually interviewed by researchers I

1396
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:21,420
believe total in the number of four

1397
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:23,460
um so you know a lot of these Grand

1398
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:25,140
evidentiary claims that have been made

1399
00:51:31,069 --> 00:51:28,980
and have grown to to lower status you

1400
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:31,079
know it just really aren't that when

1401
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:35,460
when you dig into it so so I I don't

1402
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,079
want to to make it sound like I've

1403
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:39,359
graduated into to being a debunker or

1404
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:43,020
anything but I I do know that where I am

1405
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,180
in my personal Quest right now is I've

1406
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,760
been in this field long enough and as I

1407
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:49,440
mentioned I do like looking for things

1408
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,420
that can be validated you know and not

1409
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,040
just things that that are convenient for

1410
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,240
me to believe in because they might

1411
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:57,359
support my pre-existing belief I want

1412
00:52:02,569 --> 00:51:59,880
stuff that you know I can point to I can

1413
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:02,579
confidently go on shows and and tell

1414
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:05,339
people about and and you know suggest

1415
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:06,900
that they they look into that too and

1416
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:08,940
consider that in their own evaluations

1417
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:11,640
so that's that's really where I'm headed

1418
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:13,740
and I think everybody approaching this

1419
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,040
field needs to be skeptical not a

1420
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:19,680
skeptic but skeptical that's part of

1421
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,720
this process and being a good researcher

1422
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,240
is being skeptical because we're dealing

1423
00:52:29,329 --> 00:52:26,160
with something that involves Grand

1424
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,339
claims it really does and and they're

1425
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,200
tremendous things and they're

1426
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:33,599
eye-opening and it's hard to not

1427
00:52:37,569 --> 00:52:36,300
be taken aback when you know a

1428
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:37,579
high-ranking military

1429
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:40,500
official comes to you and and tells you

1430
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:43,380
something this shocking you know you

1431
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,180
want to take it at face value but that's

1432
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:47,280
a dangerous game to play and I

1433
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,720
personally have have been in that

1434
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:50,400
situation where I've had lots of

1435
00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:52,640
government and military personnel

1436
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:55,619
personally come and tell me incredible

1437
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,240
things that later turned out to be

1438
00:53:02,930 --> 00:52:59,520
absolute so oh really

1439
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:02,940
that sucks I know yeah well Jason I

1440
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:04,200
thank you so much for coming on the

1441
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:05,520
podcast Louie do you have any final

1442
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,559
questions for our guests again just a

1443
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,839
big thanks to Jason MccLellan uh we knew

1444
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:11,280
you were big mine I've been bugging you

1445
00:53:14,329 --> 00:53:12,660
for months to come on the show I know

1446
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,339
you're a busy guy thank you for taking

1447
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,319
the time I know you probably have a lot

1448
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:18,000
of things going on and other engagements

1449
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:19,800
you could have been doing but we do

1450
00:53:24,109 --> 00:53:21,900
genuinely appreciate it love the way

1451
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,119
that your mind works and how neutral you

1452
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:26,400
are on things and uh you're our kind of

1453
00:53:30,049 --> 00:53:27,720
guy so you're welcome back on the show

1454
00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:30,059
anytime and maybe next year with your

1455
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,800
new projects uh come on on and tell

1456
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,079
everybody what's going on I would love

1457
00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:35,760
to thank you so much guys this has been

1458
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:37,740
a blast thank you for harassing me so

1459
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,780
much I really appreciate it you know how

1460
00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:42,000
busy life gets so I do appreciate your

1461
00:53:45,049 --> 00:53:43,619
patience guys and this has been so much

1462
00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:45,059
fun thank you and I appreciate you